User talk:Encredechine

Hello there
Hello, I'm Malvodion. I'm the man who currently pretty much runs the Smite and Infinite Crisis' wikis (and help a couple more aswell) on his own. I'm a huge WC3 fan and used to play tons of its custom maps and game modes (including Hero defense), so this game really appeals to me. So, I wanted to see if I could help you people in whatever it is you are missing (Perhaps by expanding that items section, which lacks the item components? It'd take time though.).

I got a small concern/complaint though: The wiki's skin. The blue background you use for most menus doesn't work very well in "low" resolutions (1360x768 and lower) so everything gets unaligned and the background glitches constantly, making it a legitimate eyesore (Also the way the layouts and images are placed makes it clear the site wasn't designed for lower resolutions either, but those don't "need" to be changed.). Also, while I imagine its intentional, having the entire body of the wiki smashed against the left sidebar while leaving a large empty space on the right looks kinda off/weird (both windows are clippling with each other too.). Would it be possible for you to toy with it a little? I'm sure future users would appreciate the changes.

Well, I hope I can make some useful contributions.--Malvodion (talk) 09:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see. Will there ever be a more elaborate upgrade progression display on the item templates beyond a couple of icons to fill in the large blank area? Otherwise I think it might end up needing to be changed to look like the ability infoboxes once the pages start getting more content.


 * Maybe, it'd certainlly help to have less of the screen covered by it. I have little knowledge about making wiki skins so I can't really help nor make any good suggestions on how to improve this, so I apologize for that.


 * Ah, its meant to look like its centered, I see. The clipping is still a tad jarring, but I don't think it'd really be worth messing with the layout just for that.


 * Well, I'll try to see whenver I get some free time to add some info and do as much as I can before the end of this game's beta (when it'll be restricted to a one pay fee, which sadly I won't be able to get for a good while.).--Malvodion (talk) 13:47, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Before I say anything: Maybe we should continue talking on the same page instead of back and forth on eachother's talk pages. I'm already watching yours so I'll get any replies you make here.


 * Now back on topic: When I said there was too much empty space on the side I didn't mean "get rid of it entirely" :P . Still, this bigger window seems to work a lot better both for lower and higher resolutions. You might want to add a small right marging though. 10px maybe? To separate the window from the screen, and I guess to also make it symmetrical.


 * Now that I think of it: Would would be able to give me admin rights here? I'd be able to make those tiny modifications (I know basic stuff, but I can't do anything too elaborate.) so I'm not constantly bothering you (which makes me feel bad, no matter if its your job or not.). I also wanted to clean up the items sections a bit since there is tags and pages that probably shouldn't be there (or atleast not listed like that.).


 * And I just noticed the new template. I like it, it should work well with the item pages and fit a bit more with the rest of the site aswell. Just one thing: when you say "like infinite crisis", did you mean using a infobox similar to the one in IC wiki (Like this new tempalte)? Or did you mean using something similar to the tier tables, to display components? (though I'm not sure if that would work, since in IC, items don't use components, but they are just weak items that are gradually upgraded into stronger versions of themselves without mixing other random items into them.)?--Malvodion (talk) 19:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, sure. :) I maybe was a little bit too overly enthusiastic - so I even forgot my signatures (<- oh, yeah, being a fresh parent kinda gives you amnesia, but I digress!) Well, I guess, before I move the content back and forth and so on - welcome, new admin! It's honestly always complicated, when one just knows how the pages look on one monitor. Not even the browsers show the sites the same (this can give you funny results, though). Anyway, please give it a try! I guess you are familiar with Fire Bug installed under Firefox? I've tested the new template here Troll-Rabbit's Foot. You are right, it works definitely much better, I sometimes only got cache trouble, so the beast shows me old stuff, that should not appear anymore - grr! Oh, I only meant to set up the tooltips on hover like IC has them. This just needs a bit more tweaking. Basically, all necessary code is set up, the infoboxes just are not calling that part yet. So users would not have to click on the icons of the components, but get the information with a mouseover. Do you think this would be useful? Encredechine (talk) 21:28, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh! Of course! That would certainly be useful.


 * It seems that some items got their stats/costs outdated. I'll try to see if I can also get the info for them apart from the components, but it'll also take time. Hopefully I'll get that done aswell before I run out of beta time.--Malvodion (talk) 21:38, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I see you are already testing the items pop up. Just one thing: Would it be possible to draw info from the item infoboxes themselves instead of copypasting each component's tooltip on each page? (Kind of like -This-) I can see that getting a bit messy, and I'll also be kind of hard to keep up to date without anything slipping through our fingers.--Malvodion (talk) 12:14, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah and so far I'm quite unhappy with it, as I got a lot of trouble with loading issues and cloudflare. It seems to work here: Template:Itm tooltip, though, but still doesn't show up in the itembox2. I doubt I'm a great solution finder at moment, but we probably must rename the item images, too, with their respective name/ID. At moment they are named like Itm_name.png - which is okay, but actually they have a different name - so Itm_blowgun.png = Septic gun and so on. Quite confusing... Hm, you are right, it would make more sense to call the whole infobox instead of just another tooltip to fill in. Since I haven't done tooltips that often yet, I must think about it. But if you like: play with it! Things you need: sigilbarams tooltips on common.css, and the java script (can be found in common.js), from sigilbaram, too, and a tooltip template.Encredechine (talk) 12:48, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I'd try to do that but, I honestly got no clue how any of that works so I know i'll just end up breaking something.
 * You still can roll back if something unexpected happens. Good work with the boxes, you've improved them very much. I think I'll have to ask Sigilbaram because of tooltip and calling the whole infobox instead. Can take a bit, he's not here at moment.
 * Also I got a suggestion: Since the grey background the regular tables uses makes it kind of hard to read most of the colored texts (including links), why don't you try exchanging it for the semi-transparent blue we use on the infoboxes?--Malvodion (talk) 14:30, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, this will be done. :) Encredechine (talk) 14:49, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

About the items list
I noticed there is a couple of issues with the list:

1) The item costs. Since some items got both a cost and a total cost, the collum doesn't properly sort the items. A suggestion to "fix" the issue (I don't really know how the formating for that page works so I don't actually know if its possible, but I image it is): Make a single column for all costs, and make it so that the table always tried to draw the values in "total cost" from the item pages, and if there is no total cost (like on the low tier items) then it will draw the number in "cost" instead.

2) The table is sorting items by icons, not by item name.

3) Looks like certain values are being pushed into the wrong sections, like deflect chance being put along with movement into the movement side.

I just finished updating all item pages to the latest update, and I also made categories for every stat + the in game categorization system. Maybe that could be of use to you.

Edit: Oh also, I recently changed the colors in the itembox to make it look closer to what you can find ingame. You should consider replacing the colors used in the items list with those.--Malvodion (talk) 14:29, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are a couple of things still borked with this darn list and I'm yet about to discover why deflect chance sometimes ends up inside the column for movement speed. I'm also trying to get a colleague on it, who knows more about DPL than I do, to correct these issues. DPL probably could also be the solution for tooltips, to get exactly the info from the infoboxes when hovering over an item. Encredechine (talk) 15:43, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Problem more or less solved, I had a double entry, that's why it got wrong. But it turned out better than I would have thought. Encredechine (talk) 18:59, 24 March 2015 (UTC)